Good that people finally came to their senses after, what, four years? She probably needs even more help now that she's been locked up all that time. (I do have a problem with that remark about her husband, though. At the time, he seemed completely supportive to me, as well as crushed by the whole thing.)
Well, the comments to the entry go a long way in explaining that remark. From what I've read about it, Rusty listened more to his preacher/spiritual adviser/whatever you want to call him who told him that people should have big families, etc., than to the doctor who said "this is dangerous; she is not well right now and having more kids will make it worse".
I also remember some news reports soon after it happened talking about how he insisted that she home-school their kids. Being at home with that many small children would be stressful enough on someone who's completely mentally healthy; I can't imagine what it was like for her.
Well, I've heard a bunch of "oh my god how could she do that she's horrible and should get the chair!" talk from people about her. And I honestly think that if there has to be 'blame' in the situation . . . it doesn't mean that I don't feel awful for those kids, or that I think he's rejoicing over his children being gone. But in the end, he was sane, and she wasn't. And the consequences for ignoring the doctor's warnings were horrible.
(I will chalk some of this up to reading the short story The Cold Equations at probably far too young an age. ;-))
I agree completely. That comment ruffled my feathers a little too. I don't like it when feminism is taken to the point of LET'S VERBALLY ATTACK EVERYTHING WITH A PENIS. Not fair at all.
It wasn't verbally attacking everything with a penis. If it was, I wouldn't have linked to it because I'd disagree with it, too. :-) It was focused on a guy who ignored a doctor's instructions and several other warning signs in regards to his wife's health.
It was the condesending tone of the poster. It came across as 'women are blameless, men should be castrated.' Might not be what was meant, but that's how it came across.
*shrug* I honestly saw nothing of broad male/female generalizations in her talking about specific people in a specific case. (I make no claims as to everyone in the comments, since I haven't read all of those yet)
My views on the insanity defense in general are extremely muddled and jaded. It's very difficult to prove if someone was or wasn't in their right mind and responsible for their actions at the time of the crime.
There is going to come a time when this country will finally automatically recognize PPD as a real disease that needs to be closely monitored. And maybe at some point our country will actually start pointing the fingers at husbands who ignore the warning signs and don't do jack to help their wives.
Oooh ooh! Is this a private party or can anyone kick Tom Cruise? ;-)
Seriously, yeah, I can't even begin to imagine home-schooling five children right now. With PPD. . .
And I'll be honest here and say that a main concern of mine with the idea of becoming a mother is the possibility of going through that. I've reacted badly (to medication) before, suffered extreme mood swings and bad depression because of it, so I'm not sure if my body's 'tuned' for something like that, so to speak, or if I'm just a worrywart.
Either way, hearing people constantly rant at Andrea Yates when it's seemed obvious that she needed help-- it's been scary.
Well... we should probably keep the party to three or four people, so that we don't overdo the kicking all at once. After all, too much at once and he won't really feel each and every kick.
Now, I may be wrong, but I get the feeling that your husband is not a brainless idiot, completely focused on his own self without much concern for his wife. That being the case, even if you were to experience some of the PPD stuff, I think he'd be fully supportive of you and help you through it. Most OB/GYNs are saavy and keep an eye out for it, so you'll be fine.
I think I went through a minor case of it after Jacob was born. I kept having the feeling that he'd imposed on our family, but I knew it was stupid to feel that way (especially given how badly we wanted him and tried for him) and couldn't make sense of it. It faded away eventually, and thank god for that.
After all, too much at once and he won't really feel each and every kick.
You have a point. ;-)
I get the feeling that your husband is not a brainless idiot, completely focused on his own self without much concern for his wife.
Point #2. lol And I'm sure he would help out any way he could. I guess it's just reverse psychology coming back to bite me. When I was about thirteen or so I thought having kids'd be grand. Then I went through high school and a couple of years after without even dating anyone, much less having a serious relationship, and I consoled myself with, "Well, it's for the best. You'd probably be a bad mother anyway and here's twenty reasons why, and look at this and this and that you could get in terms of medical problems." So now-- yeah.
It faded away eventually, and thank god for that.
Definitely. I wonder how many women go through this and just never say anything about it?
wonder how many women go through this and just never say anything about it?
I bet the numbers would be staggering. I certainly never said anything. I felt stupid for it. I am more educated now, so if I'd gone through it with Mia, I would have said something.
And why do we do things like that to ourselves in high school? Like our dating lives in high school automatically determines our dating lives later in life. Sheesh.
Tell me about it. But man, it was the be-all and end-all at the time. :-D (also was going to be friends with my high school buddies forever, of course, and we would visit each other at least twice a year no matter where we moved to)
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Date: 2006-07-26 10:05 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-07-26 10:23 pm (UTC)I also remember some news reports soon after it happened talking about how he insisted that she home-school their kids. Being at home with that many small children would be stressful enough on someone who's completely mentally healthy; I can't imagine what it was like for her.
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Date: 2006-07-26 10:32 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-07-26 10:36 pm (UTC)(I will chalk some of this up to reading the short story The Cold Equations at probably far too young an age. ;-))
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Date: 2006-07-26 10:44 pm (UTC)There is going to come a time when this country will finally automatically recognize PPD as a real disease that needs to be closely monitored. And maybe at some point our country will actually start pointing the fingers at husbands who ignore the warning signs and don't do jack to help their wives.
::kicks Tom Cruise while she's at it::
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Date: 2006-07-26 10:53 pm (UTC)Seriously, yeah, I can't even begin to imagine home-schooling five children right now. With PPD. . .
And I'll be honest here and say that a main concern of mine with the idea of becoming a mother is the possibility of going through that. I've reacted badly (to medication) before, suffered extreme mood swings and bad depression because of it, so I'm not sure if my body's 'tuned' for something like that, so to speak, or if I'm just a worrywart.
Either way, hearing people constantly rant at Andrea Yates when it's seemed obvious that she needed help-- it's been scary.
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Date: 2006-07-26 11:03 pm (UTC)Now, I may be wrong, but I get the feeling that your husband is not a brainless idiot, completely focused on his own self without much concern for his wife. That being the case, even if you were to experience some of the PPD stuff, I think he'd be fully supportive of you and help you through it. Most OB/GYNs are saavy and keep an eye out for it, so you'll be fine.
I think I went through a minor case of it after Jacob was born. I kept having the feeling that he'd imposed on our family, but I knew it was stupid to feel that way (especially given how badly we wanted him and tried for him) and couldn't make sense of it. It faded away eventually, and thank god for that.
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Date: 2006-07-26 11:11 pm (UTC)You have a point. ;-)
I get the feeling that your husband is not a brainless idiot, completely focused on his own self without much concern for his wife.
Point #2. lol And I'm sure he would help out any way he could. I guess it's just reverse psychology coming back to bite me. When I was about thirteen or so I thought having kids'd be grand. Then I went through high school and a couple of years after without even dating anyone, much less having a serious relationship, and I consoled myself with, "Well, it's for the best. You'd probably be a bad mother anyway and here's twenty reasons why, and look at this and this and that you could get in terms of medical problems." So now-- yeah.
It faded away eventually, and thank god for that.
Definitely. I wonder how many women go through this and just never say anything about it?
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Date: 2006-07-27 12:08 am (UTC)I bet the numbers would be staggering. I certainly never said anything. I felt stupid for it. I am more educated now, so if I'd gone through it with Mia, I would have said something.
And why do we do things like that to ourselves in high school? Like our dating lives in high school automatically determines our dating lives later in life. Sheesh.
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